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Obama/Biden or McCain/PalinForum Discussion for Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin 123456789…next ›last » Submitted by Jodi C. on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 16:01
Levetta - "America today is a world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry...," Republican presidential nominee John McCain declared in his concession speech. "There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States." It looks like your candidate gets it too. Submitted by Levetta F. on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 12:13
I too am proud of how far we have come with bigotry, but that still does not change my view. According to the AP 98% of Black Americans voted for Obama compared to 2% for McCain, to say racism had no part in that is quite a stretch. If the shoe were on the other foot would you consider that race played a part in it? Submitted by Levetta F. on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 21:18
I have never said the only reason he won was because of his race. I believe McCain lost because of his campaign managers. My point to the above post is that racism is not only a black issue white people have to deal with it too. Submitted by jennifer g. on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 04:33
I totally agree that McCain lost because of the way he ran his campaign. We knew nothing about Palin,And they would not let her give interviews and to tell you the truth that was a big reason i did not vote for him. Submitted by Levetta F. on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 21:13
My point is I would like to get past racism. Racism is on both sides it is not only a black issue white people have to deal with it, also. Trust me I blame McCain's campaign managers for what was an embarrassing campaign. I have never said Obama won only because of his race. Submitted by Levetta F. on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 12:46
Jodi C. if you reread my post no where in it did it say that the only reason he won was because he is biracial. I said, "Before all of the Obama supporters get in an uproar I am not saying that everyone who voted for him voted because of his skin color, but I am saying a whole segment of our population did. It was an insult to Martin Luther Kings dream for this nation." It is an insult to vote for ANYONE because of their race. As far as defending myself on not being a racist I was not. I was pointing out that I was not reared to be that way I was reared to judge a man by his character and not his skin color. I am proud of my family members(all of them biracial or not) and I love them. In my family we were taught not to see color, but to see the persons heart. I said it hurts me to know that there are still people out there who look at things differently. It hurts because racism is on both sides. Submitted by Jodi C. on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 15:34
Good for you - It's great to hear you had a decent upbringing. That's awesome for you and for the rest of society. But, again, Obama's victory had nothing to do with racism. Your statement "....my candidate was defeated in part because of racism". You do realize, you can't make that statement, and not at the same time be saying that Obama won in part because of racism? That kind of rhetoric robs our society of a deserved victory; it is the kind of thing that fuels racism - gives it life, a voice to continue. But, the point is, again, the facts completely obliterate the possibility (or even the probability) that racism is at all why anybody won or lost. It's just not possible. Just because you know some people who voted based only on race, does not mean it cost McCain the election. McCain lost because he ran a terrible campaign. Obama won because he ran an outstanding campaign. Submitted by Levetta F. on Mon, 11/10/2008 - 13:56
Submitted by Levetta F. on Thu, 11/06/2008 - 22:45 I just hope we can come together as a country and make it a better place for ALL who live here. Submitted by Amy S. on Wed, 11/12/2008 - 00:41
I'm hoping and praying we can all work together with this election behind us, too, Levetta. Also, we watched our local election coverage the day after the election, and there were people in my own state that admitted to not having a clue what Obama's agenda during presidency would be, but chose to vote for him because he is part African-American and " they would now have someone on their side to fight for them after having to be enslaved to the white people for so many years" ....this disturbed many people in our viewing area and has caused controversy, even at our schools here. Maybe it's just a southern issue, but it's stirring alot of frustration up around my neck of the woods! This has upset me just awful! I'm trying to lean on prayer for peace on this issue. With the Civil Rights Acts, NAACP, black college funds, the private black colleges, and they even have their own T.V. Chanel we all know of as BET.....I thought we had moved passed all of that and that they have great and awesome opportunities now! I wish they would not bring that hatred up continuously! Who wants to be reminded of all of that hatred and torment that America has moved on passed! I don't! I had not even been born, yet..in the 60's, that is! I hope that we can move beyond all of this and work together. How can we work together when they keep bringing it up. That really is unfair and it will keep causing problems with those who are getting fed up. We are suppose to have a forgiving heart of love in all conditions. This is OUR COUNTRY together - not just the whites, not just the blacks, not just the latinos, not just the asians....it's OUR COUNTRY TOGETHER and it's time to put God first and get the priorities straight. I was a McCain supporter, but do respect Obama and commend him for winning. I will pray for his leadership daily. I hope that he chooses to allow God to be a part of his agenda. That's the main reason why I chose NOT to vote for him - ex: abortion and gay marriages being the main reasons when it comes to my belief of the christian principles of the Holy Bible and those 2 issues, along with him not having seasoned military experience. If his decisions do not reflect God, I admit that I will be very disappointed. But, regardles, I will continue to pray for him daily to have a convicted heart in all of his decisions and to be blessed as our our president because that is what God expects of me as a Christian American. Regardless of who is living in the White House, we are God's children and he will bring us through any fire that comes our way! That's my faith and I will hold strong to it through it all. God bless America. Levetta - keep your head up girl! We can all make this country that awesome place to live! God bless you and your family! Submitted by Jodi C. on Tue, 11/11/2008 - 01:49
Levetta - You should re-read my posting. I did NOT call you a racist. I said your words were a way to keep racism alive. It adds fuel to the argument. It's the same argument blacks used against whites - that the white guy won because he is white. Re-read my posting. But, I do think it's funny that people who worry that someone thinks they're racist says things like, "I come from a family of many biracial members." Like that is an automatic get-out-of-racism free card. I can't possibly be racist, I have biracial family members!! But, I didn't call you racist anyway Levetta. AGAIN, Look at the facts of the election Levetta. The TOTAL minority vote for 2008 is only 26%. Even if Obama had gotten ALL of that vote (which he did NOT), he could not have won on minority vote alone (not even come close). If you believe that MOST of the white people who voted for him did so ONLY BECAUSE he is black, and not because he is the best for the job but happens to be black - that is a HUGE leap and not the least bit believable. AGAIN, A LOT of people were very excited about voting for a black guy (blacks and whites included), but that does NOT mean they voted him ONLY BECAUSE he is black. He had to work for the black vote, and he won the Latino vote because McCain and the Republican party turned off the Latino vote in the primaries. You may know some who voted for him ONLY BECAUSE he is black, but to say that is why he was elected is a huge exaggeration and FAR from the facts of the election. Clearly, those people are a small minority - not enough to effect the outcome. And those people were probably offset by those on the McCain side who voted for him only because he is white and they couldn't vote for a black man. Submitted by Steve B. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 17:51
Well it's over and done with. Now we all have to live with the choice that has been made. Yes it was a historic election and I am proud that America can rise above its prejudice and elect someone of color to the highest office in the land. But this is also very tragic because when he fails to produce all that he has promised or people think he has promised then he will be made a bigger scapegoat than people made out of Bush. That poor black woman that was on the news the other day at one of Obama's rallys is a prime example. She thought that if Obama is elected she will not hve to worry about putting gas in her car or making her house payment any more because Obama was going to wave the magic wand and she would have all the money she needs. Many people that voted for Obama are going to be extreamly mad when he can't deliver. God help us all. We are in more trouble now than ever before and it will get worse. I close with this someone sent me a one word email, all it said was this: Obamanation Submitted by Brenda S. on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 23:04
Very well stated Steve. God help us all! I don't think God will continue to bless our country until we stop killing innocent children and the Obamanation (Abomination) of homosexuality. That's not my word, it is GOD'S Word!!! We ALL have to turn from our wicked ways!!! Submitted by Brenda S. on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 22:59
Very well stated Steve. God have mercy on us all! I don't think God will continue to bless this country if we don't stop killing innocent children and the Obamanation (Abomination) of homosexuality. That's not my word, but GOD'S Word! Submitted by Amy S. on Thu, 11/06/2008 - 03:20
Let's stand in prayer, Steve B, that Obama's heart is convicted with the leadership and guidance that reflects God's heart! With that, there HAS to be hope! God is the ultimate leader of all! When we're in his hands, we're in good hands! ( LOL! ...like the All-State Commercial! ) It's been a pleasure, Steve B., reading your comments! God bless you and your family! :) Submitted by Brenda S. on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 23:07
I commend you Amy!!! Your reply reflects GOD'S LOVE! Submitted by Ann S. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 18:45
Steve B, it's time to let go of all that anger and bitterness. Why not focus on what you can do to make this country better instead of whining about all that you believe others can't or won't be able to do for you? It's your choice. Get involved and make a difference or continue to whine and choose to see nothing change. Whatever you feel about our new President, I would hope that you can see the example he's set for all of us-not just in this country but throughout the entire world. He showed what one man who came from humble beginnings could make of his life. You need to have a goal in order to realize it. He proved that by working hard and having right intention and vision, you can make a difference. He showed a lot of citizens of this country and abroad who were disillusioned and cynical about our government and our democratic process that if you work hard and you work together, you can move mountains. He gives us hope for a better America-something the people of this country seemed to have lost over the past 8 years. Why not try a novel approach and support the man as he moves into this most difficult position of leading our struggling country out of this mess, instead of continuing to denigrate him. Submitted by jennifer g. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 21:57
I agree it is time to let go of all the bitterness. I voted for Obama but if you did not all you can do now is pray for him. Submitted by Steve B. on Thu, 11/06/2008 - 01:36
Support the most liberal left wing tax and spend person in the entire Govt. You must be out of your minds. Talk about being disillusioned. You all just gave him the biggest set of tinkertoys in the world to play with, and the rest of us will suffer when his stick building fall apart. Submitted by jennifer g. on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 04:39
You know what Steve, I prayed before and after casting my vote. I prayed that night that God would let the one He wanted to win. I really think everyone has let it get to them. We have spent 8 Years living with the words terrorist hung over our heads. We have let Bush do whatever he wanted because they had us so afraid. Let go of the fear. Did God not say I didn't give you a spirit of fear? Breathe, it will be OK, If he is horrible in 4 years he will be gone? we have put up with Bush for 8. How much worse can it get? Submitted by renee f. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 17:38
McCain and Palin would have been a better choice... Submitted by jennifer g. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 16:55
Yeah no more Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Submitted by Jodi C. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 16:04
Hello everyone - Levetta, Amy, Ann, Steve, Linda, and all others...This has been tons of fun. Thanks for the great dialogue and challenging discussions. Levetta, you're awesome and I'll be seeing you on Facebook. Amy, God bless you and your family and I hope you can find some peace in these results through your faith in God and your prayer. Ann, strong work, you must be proud of your state!! To everyone...Maybe I'll see you back here in 4 years? Until then, PEACE to all of you, and God Bless America!!!! Submitted by Levetta F. on Thu, 11/06/2008 - 13:00
It has been a pleasure. I have considered of peoples views since being on here. I can't wait to see you on facebook either Jodi C. Submitted by Amy S. on Thu, 11/06/2008 - 02:46
Hey Jodi C. It has been a blessing and privelege to be able to share our opinions like this. I admit, I said some things about the way I have viewed certain issues, but have considered what you've said to me in a different and important angle. We may disagree on a few things ( that's the true beauty of it all! LOL! ) , but together we agree that this is a great country to live in and we should all stand together when it matters the most. Even though who I voted for didn't win, I woke up this morning with the thought of how it's a blessing a privelege to live here and just be able to go let my voice be heard. I know that you, Jodi, and the others on here have to feel that way, too! God is always in control, regardless who gets elected! He's given us the best blessing that our founding fathers worked so hard to achieve. God bless your families, my American brothers and sisters. :) Submitted by Levetta F. on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 12:45
Well it is over. I will follow the flock and ask not what I can do for my country, but ask what my country can do for me. I hope Obama and his supporters can prove me wrong for the sake of this country. I will say I am disappointed, but not for losing for the let down of one of my heros that said (paraphrasing) I dream of a day when a man will be judged by his character and not the color of his skin. God Bless America! Submitted by Amy S. on Thu, 11/06/2008 - 14:04
Levetta - I admit I felt that way a bit, too. ( We were McCain/Palin supporters! ) I felt that some people were more worried about voting for Obama because of his African American roots and making a mark in history instead of looking at his morals and values. Reason being - so many went and registered this time around that have never bothered registering to vote when they had the chance in the past. That was proven on my local news! How could some of us not think that! But, there were some others that voted for him because of their belief in his abilities in his "Change" agenda. And, that's a great reason to vote for Obama instead of voting for him just because we need this mark in history. While there prob. were some of those that did vote for him for that reason, we have to admit that there some out there that that really put their trust in him because they believe in his "Change" agenda he has proposed. Hopefully, the thought of that will over-ride the other negative thought both of us have shared! As I have stated, I'm Pro-Life - I feel abortion is murder and that an un-wanted baby shouldn't be punishment to the female that participated in the acts to get that way; I'm Pro-Gun - I'm a country girl that enjoys the sport of hunting and i love the outdoors. Also, self-defense is important in this era we're in; my husband is self-employed & I'm furthering 1 of my degrees as a student with 2 toddlers to take care of ( an expense and challenge! ); as a Christian of a non-denominationl church, and believer of the Holy Bible, I have personal reasons that I would rather not mention again to keep from stirring the pot out of respect for other religions on here. Another personal issue to me, coming from a military family, I feel the President, "COMMANDER IN CHIEF", should have seasoned military expense and a past of active military service to our country. Some may disagree with that, but it's my opinion to have that as an important issue. Also, I believe that marriage should be between a man and woman. If someone wants to practice the acts of being homosexual, that's their business. But, I don't agree with taking it before God to make it legal. The first one, Pro-Life, is just so important to me. I just couldn't let that one go. Some may not look at it as murder, but that's my personal opinion and we're allowed to have it, right? Those were my firm reasons for not supporting Obama in the elections. My prayer now is that God will convict his heart to make the right decisions for our awesome country, as my prayer is and has always been for all of our leaders! On another note, I'm proud that we've come past the awful days when the Civil Rights Acts were fought for - very glad. I don't think that the majority of our generation is responsible for what happened in the 60's and that we should have to hear about it over and over and over again. There are a good many that are still alive from that era, but not many. That's not fair to those of us that might have been infants or not even born, yet, and have had nothing to do with those awful torments! Who wants to continously here about awful acts! Also, alot of this African-American generation didn't have to deal with it; their parents and grand-parents may have, but they have been protected by those Acts in our recent years! That's something to be proud of and a reason to keep moving forward! I admit that I think that was a time of tragic and awful events of hatred and I'm opposed to it by all means! So, let's get over it and move forward like Dr. Martin Luther King's Dream! This isn't the same America as it was in the 60's or even the 70's and this election was a big reflection of that! ....sorry, that's my personal feeling on that issue - not directed to you or anyone else on here! I'm so sorry to get long-winded! I pray that you can feel comfort and peace and know that God is always looking out for all of his children, including you! Let's be grateful and proud to be Americans! Let's stand in hope and prayer for our country together and work together. We can do this, girl! God bless you and your family, Levetta! It's been a pleasure reading your comments! :) Loading People... |